I Am Conflicted...

"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
03/28/2016 at 11:04 • Filed to: None

I can get a GM employee family discount, and I can get a new Camaro RS 4 cylinder for not too much more than a FiST.

Dammit. I have told myself I will not buy a GM product, but I actually like these. And for what I could get one for makes a hell of a case.

DISCUSSION (88)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:07

Four cylinder Camero? Why do you hate America?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
03/28/2016 at 11:08

It’s the hip thing to do.

Steve in Manhattan > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:08

Have you driven both?

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:08

I say yes because RWD

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Steve in Manhattan
03/28/2016 at 11:09

Nope, the 4 cylinder Camaro is just hitting lots. I have driven the FiST, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:10

But why not get the V8?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua
03/28/2016 at 11:10

A. I already have something for dirt hoonage that is RWD.

B. I don’t mind FWD. The FiST will get sideways.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
03/28/2016 at 11:11

Price and I don’t actually like the drone of a V8.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:12

Commie

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:12

I about fell over when I saw who posted this.

Every review for the 4 cylinder I’ve read has been really positive. One’s probably in my no-too-distant future, honestly.

spanfucker retire bitch > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
03/28/2016 at 11:13

What’s a Camero?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
03/28/2016 at 11:14

Yep. The biggest problem for me is local dealers. All of them are asking over 30k for base 1LT auto 4 cylinders. I need the RS. I need a couple of options.

citizennick > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:15

I went from a FoST to a ‘16 Camaro. Never driven the FiST, imagine it's fun, but this new Camaro is pretty amazing. I think you would have a lot of fun with one. Plus the fit and finish of my Camaro is FAR better than the Focus.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:15

Okay so her’s the plan - You get a 4-bangermaro, I’ll keep my FiST, we go to rallycross and track day events and swap. Deal? Deal.

Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:16

As much as I like the new Alpha-chassis Camaro, I’d get the FiST if you already have a RWD hoon-mobile. The FiST is the highest trim level of the model and set up to be driven hard, while the 4cyl Camaro is the base-est of it’s trims, and set up as more of an economy car. Plus, you get 4 doors and a hatch with the FiST.

Just my $0.02. Good luck deciding!

Future next gen S2000 owner > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:19

Sideways in a FWD =/= sideways in a RWD

HammerheadFistpunch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:19

Something something Non-American something something. Also I don’t mind giving a car company a second chance...though I usually regret it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge
03/28/2016 at 11:19

I should clarify, my RWD hoonmobile is an offroad hoonmobile, and has 4 doors and plenty of space.

Ssfancyfresh > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:20

I just had the V6 Auto as a rental car and was honestly blown away. It’s still a Camaro. More importantly, it’s genuinely good. I loved it. Every time I got out of it I had a grin on my face.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
03/28/2016 at 11:20

If I were slightly closer, I might be interested.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > citizennick
03/28/2016 at 11:20

My issue will come down to the dealers. All of the ones near me are marking them up.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > HammerheadFistpunch
03/28/2016 at 11:22

For our family, it would be chance number... 6 or 7. But suposedly it’s a “NEW” GM.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Future next gen S2000 owner
03/28/2016 at 11:22

Yeah, but I don’t really care about that too much in a daily driver.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:23

I don’t really care what car you buy, but the blue on that Chevy is FANTASTIC.

Kinja'd!!!

Svend > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:24

You could always get the Camaro and once the real world value has depreciated to levels of the FiST, trade it in.

Niko's Work Account > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:24

I think you should just the V8 and capitalize of this position of opportunity

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Svend
03/28/2016 at 11:24

Prices are close enough that it would almost immediately reach that level.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Niko's Work Account
03/28/2016 at 11:25

No thanks.

Eric K > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:26

No deal. I’ve driven the current muscle car lineup and they’re great cars but far too heavy for a turbo 4. Rwd is a definite plus but I would new-for-new FiST all day before I would 4bangermaro

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Eric K
03/28/2016 at 11:27

I probably will, but I’m going to check out the Camaro first.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
03/28/2016 at 11:29

I prefer Ford’s Kona Blue, but it is nice.

Niko's Work Account > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:30

JUST THE V8

I was joking im just having a weird day at work

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:30

Is there anything in the Camaro lineup akin to Ford’s EcoBoost? Like 300 HP from four cylinders?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:31

Goodness. My local dealers are offering V6 1LT RS Tech Pack cars for under $30k already.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
03/28/2016 at 11:35

The cheapest one near me is a base 1LT auto for 30k. How I spec’d mine was still MSRP’d under 30k. That was with the black 20's, tech pack, and RS pack.

Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:36

Ah, I see... In THAT case, I’d either go for a new FiST, or an Ecoboost Mustang with the track pack. (idk if that’s in your price range) A used LS2/LS3 could be a good option too.

citizennick > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:36

Huh, maybe ordering one is your best bet, I didn’t have a mark up on mine. I know the ST’s can be had below MSRP fairly easily but dammit does it kill the re-sale value of them. If you get an ST make sure you plan on keeping it for awhile.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/28/2016 at 11:36

Nope, just 275 hp/295 ft lbs and 200 lbs less to carry around.

Steve in Manhattan > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:37

I had not heard about the new engine in the Camaro. It’s a heavy car, for sure, so drive one and let us know what you find out.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:37

Give it a month, they’ll be throwing cash on the hood. They always do.

Svend > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:39

Oh right. I thought the family discount would be quite a significant amount. My old manager’s brother worked for Ford and got his son a hefty discount on a Focus. It’s only allowed on two cars in a given period.

I work for Walmart in the U.K. And we get a good discount (varied by make and model) on GM products (it was always funny as the discount applied to Vipers, Hummer H3s, etc... as well as Vauxhalls).

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
03/28/2016 at 11:40

It’ll be May or June anyway. Hopefully that’s the case, but either way, the FiST is still an awesome car.

mcseanerson > Eric K
03/28/2016 at 11:41

The four cylinder Camaro has a power to weight ratio of 12.1 lb/hp. It’s not gonna set any records but that’s not really slow either. For the sake of argument though the FiST comes in at 13.7 lb/hp.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Steve in Manhattan
03/28/2016 at 11:41

Actually it’s around 3300 lbs, so it’s not too bad.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > citizennick
03/28/2016 at 11:42

I’ve planned on it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge
03/28/2016 at 11:43

I get more car for the money with the Camaro, which is why I ruled out the Ecoboostang.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:44

Agreed on the FiST. I can’t say I’m a fan of the Fiesta’s interior design though, mostly the dash and it’s gargantuan size.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Svend
03/28/2016 at 11:44

I don’t have the discount of the Ford, but I do on the Chevy. The Chevy would end up being a couple of thousand more.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:46

There is no glass in that car. Just little gun slits.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:48

Unless you need a back seat and/or 4 doors, I literally see no reason to get the Fiesta over the camaro.

And I say that as a die hard ford guy.

FWD gets old. Don’t make the mistake that I, Kroll and many others made, AND BUY THE RWD SPORTS CAR

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:49

Only fools are brand loyal or brand phobic (I used to be a fool). Evaluate the vehicle on it’s merits, and then make your decision.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
03/28/2016 at 11:49

It will probably come down to insurance and the dealerships.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/28/2016 at 11:50

Oh well. I’m used to it from our work trucks.

Svend > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:51

Sorry. I should of phrased it better. I was using my manager’ brother’s Ford family discount as an approximation of the possible discount you’d get from the GM family discount.

You’ve tried the FiST I think you need to do a long test drive on the Camaro. Do you have the option of an extended test drive (24 hours, take home) where you live.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher
03/28/2016 at 11:51

After 6 or 7 chances, there is a reason for my phobia.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Svend
03/28/2016 at 11:52

I do not that I know of.

DoYouEvenShift > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:54

Light turbo rwd, you cant loose.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DoYouEvenShift
03/28/2016 at 11:55

But it’s competition is 600 lbs lighter, turbo, FWD, and loved by the world.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:57

Didn’t know you were considering a FiST.

DoYouEvenShift > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 11:59

Lost me at fwd lol.

All joking aside though, these are two very different vehicles to have to choose from.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
03/28/2016 at 11:59

Yep, plan(ned) on picking one up in May. But, this may change things a bit.

DoYouEvenShift > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:02

Ive owned sooooo many GM cars, no major issues whatsoever.

I have nothing against other cars though.

Working in the auto industry, especially now. You learn that brand loyalty is a thing of the past. Everyone is in cahoots with each other.

DoYouEvenShift > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:05

Ooohhh Insurance! I forget about that. Thats what kept me out of an LS1 Fbody in my teens.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DoYouEvenShift
03/28/2016 at 12:05

We’ve had 6 or 7 and almost all of them experienced a major failure of some sort.

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:11

Fair enough!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher
03/28/2016 at 12:15

Can only handle so many pre-100k mile transmission failures.

DoYouEvenShift > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:31

Some people have terrrible luck lol thats sucks man. One of my customers had a Civic blow an engine, followed by a Corolla that hated headgaskets. No he has a brand new Kia that loves tow truck rides to the dealer. Feel bad for the dude.

Jayhawk Jake > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:40

I think you’ll be disappointed in the FiST long term.

Sure it’s fun to drive, but it’s not a looker and is just a gussied up economy car at the end of the day. The Camaro turbo may be the ‘compromise’, but it’s still a RWD coupe. It has a certain cool factor the FiST will never have.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DoYouEvenShift
03/28/2016 at 12:41

I wouldn’t exactly call a Camaro “light” unless you’re comparing it to a Tahoe maybe

CaptDale - is secretly British > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:43

But GM is life

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jayhawk Jake
03/28/2016 at 12:44

It’s probably going to come down to dealerships and insurance costs.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CaptDale - is secretly British
03/28/2016 at 12:47

To my family, GM is life of blown transmissions.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Steve in Manhattan
03/28/2016 at 12:48

The 6th gen Camaro’s weight at any given trim is within ~100lbs or so of the 2 series lineup.

put-some-turbo-on-meeeee > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 12:55

That’s why you get the manual.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 13:02

The Camaro is a lifestyle accessory. The FiST is a hauler that happens to have a ton of performance. On the right roads, the ST will outhandle any muscle car. But is that what you really want?

This is not a numbers or specs contest. It’s a question for your personal preference, and if you can afford either one, take money out of the equation.

Steve in Manhattan > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
03/28/2016 at 13:04

BMW 2 series? Wow, someone sure went on a diet.

Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 13:09

Oh, gotcha gotcha. The other car I just thought of is the Solstice GXP and Sky Redline. You can probably pick up one of those used for 15-20K in good shape, with a similar turbo 4cyl!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge
03/28/2016 at 13:16

I want new.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
03/28/2016 at 13:18

Practicality isn’t really a need for me, I just want a fun and efficient DD.

DoYouEvenShift > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
03/28/2016 at 13:22

Its advertised at 3339 lbs.

Tahoe is around 5500 lbs.

Fiest is 2720 lbs

Group B Enthusiast - Captain of the supercharged barge > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 13:24

haha Fair enough, sir.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Steve in Manhattan
03/28/2016 at 13:39

Yeah, it’s still heavier, don’t get me wrong. But it’s a narrow gap, and Camaro offers more... enthusiastic engine options for the price.

gawdzillla > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 13:43

sounds like you need that v6 track pack instead

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > gawdzillla
03/28/2016 at 13:51

Nah. I’m fine with the 4-cylinder. 5.4 to 60 is quicker than I’ll ever need, and since it’s a turbo 4, I can tune it if I want more.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > citizennick
03/28/2016 at 13:54

To further explain on ownership, I’ve owned an extremely slow, thirsty, and bouncy Toyota for nearly 5 years, and I have no plans of getting rid of it. I grow attached, so if it doesn’t just jump at me like the FiST did, I can pass over it without much thought. I want something that makes me want to keep it. I like character, and am very used to it.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 14:10

Stop buying the wrong GMs. Or not servicing your trannies.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CaptDale - is secretly British
03/28/2016 at 14:13

Well considering almost all GM’s of a certain era contained a shitty transmission, it’s kind of hard to do. Transmissions shouldn’t blow before 100k miles, especially not a bunch of them.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/28/2016 at 14:17

Fair point. Some of those autos just weren’t good enough for all the punishment they got being in trucks and SUVs.